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Dentists Who Invest

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Dr James: 

Fans of the Dennis who Invest podcast. If you feel like there was one particular episode in the back catalog in the anthology of Dennis who Invest podcast episodes that really, really really was massively valuable to you, feel free to share that with a fellow dental colleague who’s in a similar position, so their understanding of finance can be elevated and they can hit the next level of financial success in their life. Also, as well as that, if you could take two seconds to rate and review this podcast, it would mean the world. To me, what that would mean is that it drives this podcast further in terms of reach so that more dentists across the world can be able to benefit from the knowledge contained therein. Welcome, welcome to the Dennis who Invest podcast. What’s up everyone? Hope everybody is having an absolutely tremendous Monday. I certainly am. Welcome back to the Dennis who Invest podcast for another exciting episode. We’re on episode number 48. Now I’m creeping up to 50. I’m going to have to think of something special to commemorate that milestone. We have a tremendous guest with us today. You may have met him on the group. He’s very active on there. He’s always got lots of questions and insight about investing and he’s out and about too, because he’s got quite a few dental courses on composites aesthetics and he is the owner and runner of Scottish dental clubs. So please welcome our esteemed colleague, dr Tarik Bashir. How are you, tarik?

Tariq: 

Yeah, good thanks, James. Thanks for having me on. I’m honored to be part of the podcast series.

Dr James: 

Oh, mate, the pleasure is all mine. Welcome, welcome to the show and thank you so much for giving up some of your day to come and appear. Tarik, I think a lot of people know you in the dental world but just in case anybody out there listening doesn’t know you, would you like to do a little bit of an intro about yourself when you qualified, scottish dental club etc. All of those things, yeah, sure.

Tariq: 

So my name is Tarik Bashir. I’m a general dentist based up in Glasgow at the Visage Clinic which is part of Bupers Platinum clinics. I’ve been part of the clinic since 2008. I qualified in Glasgow 2005 and did my MFDS and did some message posts. Initially I wanted to go down the restorative specialist route and then stumbled upon going into practice and have stayed in the practice since then. I’ve kind of done a lot of courses nationally, internationally as well, in restorative acidic dentistry. I did some work with the Coi Centre in Seattle over the last few years and became a graduate of the Coi Centre, which is focused on occlusion and treatment planning. And then just last year I achieved my master’s in endodontics through the University of Chester and Semple Endo and now I run my own courses on composite anterior composites and also founded the Scottish Dental Study Club with my wife, simon, and so we’ve been doing that for the last three years and we always have speakers up speaking on endo photo surgery, rubber dam isolation. We’ve had international speakers as well and got lots of plans for the next year.

Dr James: 

Congratulations, my friend. That is quite the CV. Hats off to you and Tariq. That was actually why I wanted to get you on today, because I wanted to talk about how we, as dentists, can start our own course, because I know that that is the aspiration for lots of us, a lot of dentists out there. I want to share their knowledge via the vehicle of a course and for someone who’s been there and done that, I think you’ll have a lot of wisdom to share on that matter. We’re still in side gigs month just barely because we’ve got two days left, and I thought that this would be a nice way just to put a hat on it so that you can share your experiences and maybe even give us some actionable steps for dentists out there. I want to create a course because there is no, but I don’t think there’s a manual. Really, you just kind of go for it. It’s just kind of hearsay and you sort of wing it and figure it out along the way. Or am I missing something? Tariq Is there? Is there some resource or some help that you got, or did you just kind of kind of go for it? What was your journey like? I mean?

Tariq: 

to be honest, I’ve never kind of planned to do this and I started off I think I did a lecture for you know, some local dentists as part of like a you know an open evening for the practice, and then got asked to do kind of like a WT lecture by one of the local WT advisors, then started to do a hands-on day for them for the anterior composites and do a lecture. From that then kind of sprouted into a kind of day course for dentists and so it’s kind of focused on the anterior composites in my course In the process of developing a second day which is more advanced anterior composite, you know techniques like the astromachlosure, black triangles, you know any kind of tooth-wear type cases. So yeah, I mean, there wasn’t any kind of nobody that kind of guided me into it, just kind of fell into it and then kind of started to develop it and, to be honest, got a bit of a push from my wife because I think if she hadn’t kind of, you know, told me to, you know, do it, you know I probably wouldn’t have, because she’s like, you bought the scale and you know people want to learn. So you should really make up a course and, you know, you know, spread that knowledge.

Dr James: 

Everyone needs a chair leader. Everyone needs a chair leader. That’s for sure Awesome, so Tareek. When you were speaking about starting your course, how did those early course days look? You know was it was. It was there ever like a big moment that you were kind of you were scared, you were on the precipice of going into the unknown? How did that look for you? How did you manage that? How did you overcome that fear?

Tariq: 

Yeah, I mean initially doing courses. Obviously in, for example, public speaking, there wasn’t something that I was always comfortable with and, to be honest, in the kind of very first few courses. You know I found it quite nerve wracking, as I’m sure most people do. But like anything, the more you do, the more comfortable you get with it, the more you know. The content side wasn’t an issue because you know I’ve been doing this type of work for over a decade and you know I know what I’m doing and you know why I’m doing it. It was just kind of can convey that and, you know, to ensure that I’m a good teacher so that people can actually learn and, you know, then use these skills in practice.

Dr James: 

Well, it’s a growth thing, isn’t it, you know? And you never grow in that respect until you find yourself in that situation. You know, you really, really don’t. It’s about putting yourself out there and the person that you become. When you can speak on stage and you can convey this message of whatever you like, it’s an incredible thing, it’s a gift. It really is. And I’ll tell you something else as well. What I’ve noticed, when you teach other people, you actually become much more knowledgeable yourself, because people ask you questions, the most fundamental questions, that you just sometimes have never thought of. And then you have to go right back and think why do I do this, what does this mean? Why does this look like this, et cetera. And yeah, it’s part of the process, it’s part of the fun, and that’s one of the rewarding aspects of it too, is that you become better at your subject. That’s what I’ve noticed, anyway. What do you think?

Tariq: 

Yeah, to be honest, I see that’s 100% true because you know, on a course, for example, somebody asked me a question and I’m not sure about you know the answer. I would go and find out why I don’t know, or you know what the answer is. Or if I don’t know, then I would ask somebody and, you know, find out for them. But yeah, you’re right, it makes you question why you do things and you know why you don’t do it a certain way or why you use a certain technique. But yeah, definitely you know, and that’s why I enjoyed doing the kind of visiting GDP clinics in the dental hospital a few years back. Students would ask you know, why is this and why would you not do it this way? And you think, why is it? Is it because I’ve always been taught this way, or is it actually any evidence behind what we’re teaching and doing? So, yeah, definitely. I mean, I think as you start to teach something, you kind of learn a lot yourself as well and you pick up a lot from other people. You know that you’re teaching because everyone’s got different experiences and different, different. You know knowledge, you know, and I think you all learn from each other.

Dr James: 

I suppose a lot of people who want to start courses. Probably one of the biggest barrier holding them back is but am I ready? They say to themselves am I ready to start my course? Do I have the knowledge? Do I have the skills? Am I at the level where I can be seen as a credible teacher? What’s your rules of thumb on that one? When are we ready to teach?

Tariq: 

I think if there’s a topic that you’re really passionate about and you’re sure that you’re completely immersed in that subject, then I think you speak to colleagues and ask their opinion, what they think, and you maybe start small by doing, say, a lecture for your practice or for a group of practices or like a local study club, and take it from there, because obviously the big step is going from not doing anything to starting to do a course for, say, 15, 20 people, which is a massive step not only in terms of kind of speaking and teaching to that kind of group, but also to kind of actually run a course so that people kind of get the most out of it Real quick, guys.

Dr James: 

So I put together a special report for Dentist entitled the Seven Costs and Potentially Disasters Mistakes that Dentist make whenever it comes to their finances. Most of the time, dentist are going through these issues and they don’t even necessarily realize that they’re happening until they have their eyes opened, and that is the purpose of this report. You can go ahead and receive your free report by heading on over to wwwdentistooninvestcom forward slash podcast report or, alternatively, you can download it using the link in the description. This report details the seven most common issues. However, most importantly, it also shows you how to fix them Really. Looking forwards to hearing your thoughts. How do you feel about your decision to start your course? How has it panned out? How has it been for you as a person, as an individual? Was it a good decision, bad decision? In retrospect, how do you feel?

Tariq: 

I think on the whole it’s been a good decision and I’m glad I’ve done it. Maybe I wish I’d done it sooner because I think if I hadn’t been kind of you know, my wife hadn’t encouraged me to do it, I probably wouldn’t have done it. I’m glad I’ve done it because I do enjoy doing the courses and enjoy teaching colleagues and seeing them develop and get messages from you know, say, two or three months later saying, you know, thanks very much. You know I’m doing X, y and Z now and, you know, picked up a lot of stuff that I’m using now in practice and they’ll send me pictures of the cases and it’s good to see that.

Dr James: 

What I’ve noticed about these sorts of things is when you put yourself out there and you create a business or you put yourself out there in social media, you kind of have this, you envisage it to be a certain way and you envisage it to be you know. You kind of don’t really think about the full benefits of it. You only really think about oh, it would be really cool to have loads of followers, it would be exciting, it would be interesting. Maybe it’s a bit of an ego thing, maybe there would be money in it, but there’s lots of ways that, for me personally, it’s helped me as an individual, whether that be through relationships, networking, even just the positivity, like you said, of someone reaching out and saying, oh hey, I really like the podcast, you know, for you, you’ve given us a little bit of a glimpse because you said, oh, it’s really nice. Like three months later, people just message me out of the blue and they say, oh, this really helped me. I did this case the other day and it looked wonderful, etc. What were the greatest benefits to beginning your course that you never imagined would be even possible or be things that would happen to you before you undertook it?

Tariq: 

I mean looking back now, even like, for example, on the course of or even afterwards. You know even small things that I thought were kind of small things that I can take for granted and do every day. It’s new to some people and they appreciate being taught a new skill. It was just, for example, the way you would kind of finish and polish a composer, or the way I kind of layer it, or the way I’ve choose the shade. They’re like I didn’t know that or I’ve never come across that, but that’s been really useful for me in my practice and made things a lot easier. Just small things that I thought everyone knows and there wouldn’t be any point in teaching, but it’s just kind of shows you everyone’s got different kind of insight and different experience and just kind of trying to kind of make sure people get the most out of that.

Dr James: 

What’s the workload like? Because I know that that would be something that might be considered or perceived to be a barrier for a lot of people who are on the fence or humming and aing about making a course. My guess is that the very first time you launch one, there is a heck of a lot of work creating the content, but after that things are somewhat more streamlined because the bulk of the work has already been done. What was it like for you?

Tariq: 

Yes. So the initial starting of the course is difficult because you need to get a lot of cases together. You need to get a lot of content together, create a presentation, make sure everything flows correctly. So my CC you’ve got four or five hundred slides. It takes a long time to create that. I’m sure it’ll take me about six months or so. Wow, I think you need to get that first course kind of all kind of up and ready and people sometimes don’t realize how much work goes into it because you’re just maybe doing this in the evenings and weekends and then taking photographs of cases or type of dance, doing stage by stage and doing photos of each stage, getting the angle correct. So it’s kind of painstaking kind of work, I think, trying to get it all correct, but you’re right after all. So you’ve got that kind of first time kind of set up. Then from that onwards it’s much easier because you’ve got that kind of flow and you’re basically kind of just kind of repeating that process every time. But then you’ve got the kind of admin side of it as well, For example, getting CPD certificates, getting feedback forms, getting registrations, working with different kind of suppliers, different trade, different venues. So it’s a lot of kind of stuff in the background that you can do to get everything correct as well.

Dr James: 

I’ll bet. I’ll bet there is. Sometimes it is possible to create a course that there’s two ways to do it. Really, you can get all your ducks in a row at the start, before you’ve even launched the thing, or you can just create it week on week if you feel like you want to live a little bit more dangerously. There is there’s pros and cons to each, because if you create it week on week, you can modify what you’re going to Place in terms, what you’re going to put in there in terms of content, based on what people have said the week before, and you can adapt it. And whilst you can do that with the first approach as well, what I mean is you haven’t wasted any effort because you can tailor it even more. Yeah, and not a lot of people are aware that you can do it that way, but Naturally there’s. It can mean that there’s sometimes late nights and a lot of work to do if it’s a little more last minute, but there’s pros and cons to each. I don’t know what balance you struck when you were creating yours. Did you have it all ready to go or did you just change it week, or did you just create it week on week? The only reason I ask is because a lot of people think that you have it. You have to have it all ready to go before you begin. But you actually don’t, and there’s actually sometimes merit in doing that, rather than just being seen as somebody who leaves it to the last minute. There’s actually a there’s actually some positive reasons why you may do that. I don’t know how that looked for you. Were you Very scrupulous? Were you? Did you ensure entirely that you had everything ready to go from the art as soon as the course was launched? Or how did that look for you?

Tariq: 

I mean I think you need to strike a balance because you know, I Think you know you can have most of the course ready, say like 90, 95 percent. Yeah, I think that’s what mine was like, maybe kind of almost Everything where I wanted it, but then you can have slightly tailored it each week as well, yeah, a few weeks, because, for example, you make kind of you know somebody make kind of give you feedback on Maybe you should include this or, and then you think, or when you’re presenting, you think maybe you should take that that case out because it doesn’t make sense here or just change the way it changes the order. So I’m always gonna open to doing things like that. I’m just taking of because you’re always good, you know Every time you do it I think you kind of find ways to improve it, and I think you need to kind of continually do that and always assess things, because if you can’t just be so rigid and you know Think the course is perfect, you know, because I think there’s always kind of room for improvement and it’s good to kind of take on feedback.

Dr James: 

You do. It’s an iteration cycle. It’s just like anything. It’s like a product cycle, except for a course, and it’s always going to be something that evolves and grows and Becomes even better with time. It just has to be at that minimum level where the the delegates are happy and they feel like they’ve got good value for their money. And then, if you’re able to just consistently hit that level every time from the get-go, making it better and Creating even more value, there’s a huge amount of satisfaction. In that, there’ll be lots of people listening to this who are wanting to start courses, maybe in the near future or in the distant future, but at some point it’s an aspiration of theirs. What would you say to those people who are Omning and I and thinking about it if I’m thinking about if it’s right for them or it’s something they want to do what would you say to those people?

Tariq: 

Yeah, I think I think if you’ve got an idea for a course and you think you know obviously there’s a different demand for or a need for it, then you know and you know your subject matter inside out, then you should definitely look at you know teaching it to others and you know, you know sharing that knowledge, because you know we’ve all got you know knowledge that we can share and you know help others with. But I think the most important part is that you need to kind of know you know the subject matter Well because you need to kind of be comfortable with what you’re teaching and not just to because you think you know you should do it. You should. You should know I mean this hard to maybe sometimes know yourself 100% whether you’re ready. But speak to colleagues that you trust, your friends that you trust and you know get, get their opinion Maybe, for example, test it out on them and get a good performance, six or seven Colleagues in your practice. Or you know people that were friends from uni, etc. And say to them I’m going to teach this, what do you think? And just go through your lecture with them, or go through your format and see what people think. Get, get feedback. I think Almost take a look for kind of focus group, for you know you start it up.

Dr James: 

There’s a school of thought that says if you know a subject really well, then it’s, it’s your duty or your obligation to share that knowledge with others, rather than keep it all to yourself. Yeah, and that’s a really helpful way of turning on its head Whether or not someone should do a course, whether or not someone should create a course. I believe it’s actually your obligation. If you have a level of knowledge, pass a certain degree. That would help a lot of people that really Rightfully, it should be the case that you should feel obligated to go out there and share. So to me that’s a nice way of flipping things on its head and inverting our mindset on that one. So I hope that resonates with somebody. If anybody’s listening that that might resonate with. That might be helpful. There’ll be someone out there who’s an expert in their field, who perhaps doesn’t have a program and, yeah, the fact is that probably what you have inside your head could help a lot of people. So that’s a nice way of looking at it.

Tariq: 

Yeah, exactly, I mean, you know I’ve heard that kind of saying before. You know knowledge increases by sharing it, you know, and not saving it, you know, for example, so if you’ve got some knowledge that you can share, that will increase your knowledge and you know, like what we were saying before. You know we learn from others as well, and you know every time you do a course, you can do a kind of presentation. You know you’ll learn from other people in the audience or on the course. You know people ask you questions and you know. I think it kind of works both ways. So I think you know definitely, I think there’s a kind of there is something we kind of should strive to.

Dr James: 

I honestly believe that most people have something inside their head that could help them, help others, even if someone thinks that they haven’t really got a body or a field of knowledge. If there’s an experience that you’ve been through that you overcame someone else somewhere, I’ll be going through that. It’s just having the platform to be able to communicate with those people. But that’s why social media can be so great, because it’s given us this platform to reach out to these people. That hasn’t existed for all that long in human history and that’s why it’s flipped on its head. These last, this last year, what I’ve seen, what I’ve learned and growing, growing dentists who invest it’s flipped on its head. How I looked at social media, I never really thought it was that positive a thing, but now there. Now I see it as if you know where to look. There’s a lot of positivity there. You know what I mean. It’s not just fake news and conspiracy theories and stuff like that. There’s a lot of people out there who want to connect, want to know what you know, and you can help a lot of people. You just have to look in the right places.

Tariq: 

Yeah, definitely, I think kind of social media, a lot of the kind of I mean the dental groups, obviously that are there. There’s pros and cons to being part of them, because sometimes you know it’s just the kind of same stuff and people are just moaning. But I think there’s a lot of kind of you can help others and you know, for example, somebody may be going through a bad time or an experience or mental health issues and stuff and you know we’re all kind of been there, being associates, been working practice, had a complaint about a patient, and so I think we can all kind of help each other that way as well and I think that definitely kind of you know has a big you know bonus to it.

Dr James: 

Positive, definitely. What are you as regards to marketing your course and social media? Do you use someone who uses social media a lot, or how is that? How do you spread the word?

Tariq: 

To be honest. Yeah, I mean we’ve got on the Instagram page for the study club and you know we do kind of share stuff on that. But a lot of the kind of courses I feel we’re just kind of down to kind of word of mouth and you know just people we have visited the website and you know see the courses on there and so, yeah, I think it’s a lot of kind of word of mouth because we’ve been running the courses for about three years now. So you know they kind of. You know people come on a course and then they’ll look at other courses that we run and other speakers. We get up to Glasgow. So yeah, I mean I don’t kind of market it in any other way, just on Instagram and Facebook.

Dr James: 

Okay, that’s cool. So in 2021, there can’t be too many courses and things. You purely rely on word of mouth, but I suppose it’s testament to the quality. Really, there must be a lot of happy customers.

Tariq: 

Yeah, thankfully, you know I hope most people are happy to come to our courses and you know I hope that kind of stays that way and you always kind of our main aim at the beginning when we set up the study club was to kind of try and ensure that our courses are the highest standard in terms of venues, food, you know, the speakers, the facilities, just to kind of ensure that everyone’s kind of getting the best value and they can have a best experience from the courses. You know, in the courses before, you know evening study clubs in the past where you know you get kind of soggy sandwiches or just tea and coffee and you know, and then you go home and you want to kind of have. You know you have dinner again, but you know. So on our evening study clubs we ensure people get a full buffet. They’re happy with the kind of the quality of the speaker, quality of the food. So basically it’s a networking experience as well and from that that’s how we initially started was just doing evening seminars and getting guest speakers to do an evening lecture, and then from that we started doing kind of full day courses because that’s what the feedback was, that’s what they can demand.

Dr James: 

Tremendous, tremendous, and you started Scottish. You’ve obviously started dental, scottish dental study club, as you mentioned at the start as well. What was the inspiration behind that?

Tariq: 

To be honest, I was initially kind of a few younger colleagues that asked me to kind of go through some cases with them and, you know, maybe have a get together and do this maybe kind of every kind of few weeks. So the very first one we actually had, it was like a kind of a small group, maybe about 20 people, and we had a kind of guest speaker who’s actually one of my patients, who’s a medical legal QC, so he’s a baluster and he’s specialising in medical negligence and he just kind of lectures for the Royal College etc. So he offered to kind of do a lecture on consent and ethics for me a while back. So I kind of took up on his offer for this. So we did kind of half of the evening was on case discussions, the other half was on consent and ethics. So that went down really well. But then we did another one and then I found that people weren’t really bringing in cases and people just wanted to kind of come in and listen to a guest speaker. So we started to just organise a guest speaker every two or three months and, you know, take it from there to be honest, that’s awesome and you might have said this, but how long ago was that? So the very first one, this was in February 2018. This is when we started oh, I see, okay, we didn’t do much last year, obviously because of COVID, so only kind of February and March. We had things last year, but then after that nothing was kind of running.

Dr James: 

And Scottish Tental Study Club has a portal online and members and etc and things like that does it yeah.

Tariq: 

I mean there’s not a member, kind of kind of there’s no membership, because we did think about this in the past and obviously this would kind of give, like you know, a kind of a more, a better, some kind of income Obviously, to do a kind of membership scheme but to balance that in. From my own experience that’s what used to put me off joining. You know, a lot of kind of committees and organisations and things. So I didn’t, I didn’t want it to be kind of for there to be any hurdle for anyone to kind of come to our courses. It’s open to everyone. So Scottish Tental Study Clubcouk and you can go on that and obviously kind of see what’s on there.

Dr James: 

That’s awesome. So it’s a bit. Then Tental Tribules have went down. They did the other avenue, haven’t they? Because they have a membership. But I guess there’s two ways to skin a cat. But you’re what I’ve always my my, my concept or how to imagine Scottish Tental Study Club was it’s the Scottish frozen of dental tribules. Is that a point right? Have I got the right end of the stick?

Tariq: 

Yeah, but yeah, probably yeah, but it’s all kind of live events. So, for example, we did do some webinars during lockdown for charity and we had, you know, some kind of kind of wall command names, like Pascal Manny did the lectures for us. Oh, wow, yeah, wow, victor Sharapakov, you know Sarah Corkin and a lot of UK-based speakers as well. So this was just for charity, for Glasgow Women’s Aid, which is a domestic wireless charity, so we kind of raised about £5,000 for them last year. Doing this just for free over them.

Dr James: 

Nice. All for a good cause, then Awesome.

Tariq: 

But apart from that all of our events are kind of face-to-face on rather non-line, because I don’t think anything kind of beats kind of, you know, face-to-face introduction and kind of actual feedback on courses.

Dr James: 

I think, as well as that, what I was going to say was, when you start something like, let’s say, your course or Scottish Dental Study Club, it’s for me and dentists who invest it’s like it’s your baby. It’s just different. You know what I mean, and it gives you so much energy and it’s just a massive reason to get out of bed in the morning and it’s a whole new lease on life. I don’t know if you feel that way. That’s what I feel.

Tariq: 

Yeah, I mean it makes obviously dentists a bit more exciting. You know I do a lot of mechanical work and enjoy that a lot, but it’s just, it’s different I suppose when you’ve got something else as well to kind of you know focus on and, like yourself, I like being one of these people that are always busy and doing things. People always wonder like how do you manage all this? But you know you get through it and you know I’ve obviously got a lot of support with my wife. Obviously we kind of share the rock road with the study club, so it definitely helps. But yeah, it makes the job a lot more enjoyable, I suppose.

Dr James: 

Definitely, and that is, I suppose, for me. That’s one of the greatest intangible benefits that I just enjoy doing it so much, and I hope that strikes a chord with somebody who’s listening, because even if you do something and it’s a side gig and you don’t do it for the money or it is a business and you venture down that path and it’s not that financially viable, there is even a huge amount of satisfaction and happiness that comes from just creating something that you know helps other people and that you. It’s like another way to share what information you have inside your head, what is important to you, and the fact that other people pay attention to it or listen or are grateful. That is a massively, massively cool thing and I absolutely love that aspect to it and, tariq, you’ll probably feel that way as well.

Tariq: 

Yeah, definitely. I mean I think if I didn’t enjoy doing it I wouldn’t be doing it, because I think to do well at anything like I’m sure you know, you have to enjoy it, because otherwise it shows that obviously you know you’re just doing it for for the wrong reasons and you know I think if you enjoy something that’s what you’ll excel at. And I enjoy teaching, what I do, and you know that’s why you know I’ll keep pushing myself to kind of make all the courses as best as it can be, it doesn’t feel like work to me.

Dr James: 

That’s the thing. There is no distinction between what I do in my spare time and doing this because I just enjoy it so much. And, yeah, when something makes you that happy, it’s worthwhile doing in itself, even if it’s not, you know, a business thing, or to make money or you know a financial thing in any way. And yeah, that was why I started Sidegigs. Month 2 is to get people to think outside the box and to give them a new, that new lease on life, as I said. So, yeah, this is this is actually a bit of a milestone, because this is the final podcast inside Giggs Month. Tariq, and I wanted to have you on, like I say, just to put a hat on it, because I want it. I want it to just have a diverse set of speakers who were speaking on lots of different things and have topics that I knew would strike a chord with lots of dentists, and I know for a fact there’s lots of you out there who are interested in starting courses and I thought who better than Tariq? He’s got a successful course and successful Scottish Dental Study Club and, by the way, can I just say something as well, tariq has some of the best pair of hands I have ever seen in dentistry. Okay, and Tariq hasn’t asked me to say that, saying that completely of my own accord Check out his Instagram account, guys. It’s wonderful. Thanks so much, james. That’s where the can do you. Oh, mate, it’s um, it’s the work is really something. It’s really impressive. So I think for you, as far as having a course goes, your delegates they’ve certainly got a good teacher and someone who practices what he preaches, so to speak on that one. So, yeah, awesome, Thanks so much. Check it out, guys, tariq Bashir on Instagram. It’s really is, really is really good, awesome. Thank you for your time today, tariq, and, like I say, rounding off side gigs month with a very with with yourself, searching eminent speaker and somebody who can speak from experience on starting his own course. Because of what you’ve been through, I would love if anybody was inspired by side gigs month. I would love it if they could reach out to me and just let me know and just drop me a message. And, yeah, I love those sorts of stories. It’ll be incredible to hear some, no matter how that looks, no matter whether that’s in dentistry, whether that’s outside of dentistry, whether that’s even taken up a new hobby. I love stories like that, so please feel free to drop me a message to rick for anybody who’s interested in your comps. Of course we’re interested to learn more. Is there a way to get in touch with you?

Tariq: 

Yeah, sure, I mean I’m on Facebook and Instagram, so my Instagram is at doctortariqbashir, or just go on to our study club website, which is Scottish dental study clubcouk, so you can drop us an email through that or through my own Facebook, which is Tariq Bashir. Awesome, thanks for watching. I really appreciate you having me on and you know part of a great series and you know honour to be part of it.

Dr James: 

Thanks, oh, my pleasure, my friend. Thank you for giving up your time, and I hope we meet in the flesh someday, because this is not the first time that we’ve spoken over zoom and phone calls, etc. It’s been quite a few times, hasn’t it really? So it’ll be nice to meet you. Yeah, definitely, hopefully one day, someday, my friend, someday. Brilliant Tariq, we’re going to draw a line over under proceedings today. Is there anything that you like to say in conclusion to anybody thinking about starting their own course? Anything that you’d like to say just to wrap up? Yeah, I mean.

Tariq: 

I think if you’ve got an idea, you’ve got the knowledge and you want to kind of help others, you should definitely look at, you know, doing something in some format to teach some. You know some of your colleagues, other obviously online on YouTube or even in person. If you’ve got any questions and more than happy people are going to contact me, you know, if they want it, if I can help me. Anyway, Brilliant.

Dr James: 

Thank you so much. One thing I’ll say on that, actually, just before we finish things today if you’re unsure as to whether your programme or what it is that you, what knowledge you have inside your head, is actually going to resonate with a lot of people, or just how many people will find it interesting what you have to say, start a social media account along those lines whether that be an Instagram or a Facebook group or something like that and just see how it flies, see how much interest you get, and if you get enough interest past a certain point, then you’ll know that you have, you’ll have enough people there who can you can potentially, you know, help them via the means of a programme or the course. It’s a nice, easy way, which is no cost, apart from a little bit of time, to find out whether or not something that you’d like to share will sink or swim or there’ll be enough, there’ll be a significant enough amount of interest. So just a thought for everybody, just something that you might like to do if you’re curious about whether or not you have a viable idea or notion in your head that you’ve come up with. So, yeah, I hope that helps some people. Cool Right, like I say, we’re going to wrap things up today. Tariq, thank you so much for coming on the show. It’s been my pleasure to be the host. I hope to speak to you again very, very soon. Hope you have a tremendous day.

Tariq: 

Yeah, thanks very much. Thanks so much, james, take care.

Dr James: 

Welcome to the Present for the Dentist interested in improving their finances, well-being and investing knowledge. Looking forward to seeing you on there.